out, around lake a, and back. ran with C who's *much* faster than me and I hadn't seen in forever. A very slow jog for him was 1:17:35/159 (9:21 min/mi) for me and a level 5 training effect. Basically it was a little slower than marathon pace. Looking at the way back from the lack it was 9:12 min/mi @167 average. 167 is about where I ran the marathon in the early going (9:09 pace) or a few bpm lower. Of course the marathon won't have the big ass hill out of the lake and will hopefully be a little cooler than the 65/61 today. I'm guessing I'm going to end up 8:50-9 if the weather is good, which isn't quite where I wanted to be (3:49 is 8:45 min/mi).